Cover: There it is, Robert Smith ends The Cure.
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They say good-bye, and we don’t know whether to believe them.
It is not the first time that The Cure have
announced their farewell, but this time it seems to be serious:
their leader, Robert Smith, wants to turn the page
and go on with new projects.
The Cure leave as inheritance a good lot of touching songs and memorable
videos: its first classic was Boys don't cry, in 1979; the last is maybe
Friday I'm in love (1992). With the engines idle, the Britons have continued
active along the nineties, but their image will be forever bound to the
previous decade.
Somehow, The Cure, with their albums, their Goth looks, their make-up
and their haircuts (or hairdos) are one of the big symbols of the eighties,
a time whose music and aesthetics live days of resurgence. For that reason,
and for the amusing lucidity of their leader, the farewell of this historical
group well deserves a cover.
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In the picture: There is no cure for Robert
It has been said that Bloodflowers will be the last album of The
Cure, that Robert Smith wants to change the mood after a farewell tour.
But, when we interviewed him, his main concern was to buy a typical Spanish
fan for his wife.
Text: Diego A. Manrique
ROBERT SMITH ENTERS in the suite of the hotel in Madrid where the
journalist waits and he rushes to the
double windows. He struggles until opening it. "I don't understand
that they prevent you to breathe fresh air, as if
you were a sick person." Then begins a difficult search —he is shortsighted
—until he locates the minibar and
catches an orange soda. "I don't request much of a hotel, only that
they have a room service that really works, even
if you call at four in the morning. Also, that they let me sleep.
Is it so strange to understand that there are people
that don't follow the normal schedule of an executive"?.
Last night, Robert was on a flamenco spree. In fact, he asked to
experience “the real flamenco”, and at Casa
Patas he was dazzled with María Juncal's dance and Pedro
Cortés's playing. "They told me that the guitarist was
not of the first division, although to me it looked like he played
a thousand times better than me. But it didn't
discourage me, on the contrary: they returned me the desire to play
and compose. And the dancer! I loved her, I
prefer that spontaneity to Joaquín Cortés's show.
It was so to pleasure that I tasted the alcohol, although I had
promised to avoid it during this promotional tour. It is unfair
that I get drunk in a city and don't fulfill the
appointments of the following day."
So that last night’s thing should not be serious, although there
was another humid stop in Dejate Besar, a local near
to his hotel. Robert is presented with eye mascara, but without
lipstick. He wears a XXL sweater that is revealed
practical: the sleeves cover his hands and he serves simultaneously
from the recipients of coffee and milk without
fear to burn. What art, Robert. "Thank you. With all that I have
drunk in my life, the less than I can do it is to do
well as a waiter."
The Cure and alcohol. "We have been a very alcoholic band and I have
police records in many cities for doing
foolish things, things that I don't remember later! Even the sangria
can be a problem. To drink in The Cure is about
something social: some wines to be ready to get on stage. The bad
thing is when you appeal to the alcohol or the
drugs to lose your inhibitions. Those substances potency your enjoyment
of the music, but I deny that they help you
to create art, the things that I have composed being stoned have
been …a piece of shit. Well, most of the times"
[laughs].
One can always write on the hangovers and the regret and everything
else. " Uf!, my last autobiographical album
was Disintegration, 10 years ago, which has parallelisms with the
last one. I don't like to tell intimate things, for fear
of boring: imagine, twenty something years releasing albums. Of
course that I never reveal when I speak about me
and when they are observations about unknown people or simple fantasies.
In general, I feel happy with my life and
I don't use it to look for inspiration. I am really boring: I take
care of my garden, I go to the cinema, I take care of
my family. Sometimes, I encourage myths on me so that there is more
confusion. A smoke screen "!.
Do you have children? "No, my wife decided not to have them and I
don't see myself as father: I lack discipline, I
don't even want to imagine how my son would be. I prefer to be an
uncle, I have 21 nephews. Really! In my house,
the easiest thing to find are children during the weekends. I get
along very well with them: they know that I have a
strange job, that I play the guitar and that I appear in television.
They admire me more since they saw me in a
South Park episode! I am not a rock star, I am the uncle Robert."
Curious, many people think that Robert Smith's personality is a little…
infantile. "I suppose that it is because of
refusing to be cynical, for refusing to show me tired of the
world. I believe that there are people that fear to grow
for the responsibilities; I have the fortune of doing what I want
and develop occurrences that perhaps are not within
reach of another 40 year-old person. I am my own boss. But I also
take the responsibility of a group and, when I am
on tour, there are 40 or 50 people that depend on me, I can not
play with their means of life."
DELAYERS
Lets speak of the new album, Bloodflowers that has taken an eternity
in being recorded. "Not so much, we began in
the summer of 1998, but we thought that it would be a good idea
to train playing in some festivals. And it worked,
but we also had to pay for some excesses. In the fall we returned
to the study and we used too much new
technology, at the end we had a lot left to do. Already
in 1999, I recorded my parts in London. Then, we decided to
mix it in the countryside, in Surrey. It was a new study for us
and… well, we were not very diligent, but the album
was finished in the summer. They told us that it was not very commercial,
it is not even planned to tape music
videos, that we waited until the millennium fever passed, the company
doesn't have much faith lately in our
commerciality. You already see, I was convinced that we would record
it in some weeks, one of those occasions in
that I had the songs clear and how they should sound, but…."
Which is your true role inside The Cure? "I see myself as an orchestra's
director, I have the music in my head, I
know what I need and I have to extract it of some instrumentalists.
For me, this is the best line-up in The Cure, and
for that reason we have been together for five years; it is about
motivating them to make the best album we can.
But it is necessary to look for that spirit, not to impose it like
an obligation. It can be months without I thinking of a
new song, but I have enough experience to know that it will arrive
in their moment, when an emotion becomes an
idea."
Are there rules, is there a behavior code to be in The Cures? " No!
If somebody needs to be said what should not
make, he doesn't deserve to belong to the group. Evidently, not
to go drunk to play, but that is also applied to me."
Not even rules on how to get dressed or to comb their hair in a
way? "The image of The Cure is me, the other ones
go like they want, we have some that are very hippy. But I don't
have problems with the hippies."
THE GENEROUS LEADER
About The Cure, it is not usually said that you are generous: you
share the royalties with your musicians.
"Primarily, they are friends that share my sensibility; that matter
more than any possible virtuosity. In fact, to have
a musician of high level usually brings problems. That of distributing
the responsibility avoids that the money
interferes in the artistic process. The lyrics are mine and the
music is signed by all, that nobody says ‘ it is that I
composed 85% of that song '. No, it has already been made a pact
previously and it is not necessary to discuss on
percentages."
It was shocking that Lol Tolhurst, your drummer from the beginnings,
sued you demanding some royalties that
supposedly you whisked away from him. "It was extremely unpleasant.
He allowed to be guided by people that
surround him that thinks only of taking out money, some bastards
who didn't care about a relationship as deep as
ours. He ended up saying that he had become an alcoholic because
of me. The worst was to go to the tribunal and to
see somebody that knows that he is making something abominable.
The sentence was completely favorable to me
and I even felt it for him. The very stupid one was ruined, for
the costs of the lawyers and the process. But I can not
forgive that it also implied my wife."
Robert manifests limitless love for Mary, one of those fiancé-of-all-the-life
who supported him during his bad times.
Today, he’s driving his manager crazy for his whim of getting a
castellan fan for his wife. He buys it at the last
moment: a model of 300.000 pesetas. "Mary has been the great influence
in my life, the rock that stays strong
when I lose the head. She noticed, for example that I become
aggressive and unfriendly when I cut my hair. So I
make it long. Mary is very maternal with me. And very, very tolerant."
When you receive news of something as the slaughter in the Columbine
High School and it is said that the
murderers listened to Gothic rock, do you fear that they are fans
of The Cure? "No, they don't kill anybody, all
they do is to commit suicide [giggles]. I don't joke, in Los Angeles
a lad ascended to the stage and began to stab
himself. There always happen nonsense with us there in LA. There
were organizations that threatened our record
company for publishing Killing an arab. We explain that to Killing
an Arab comes from The foreigner, Albert
Camus's book, and clear, neither they knew who Camus was either
that that murder didn't have racist components.
Neither our Pornography is about porno speech, but of the obscenity
of the violence, of the exploitation, of the
abuses of power. Fortunately, we don't have such a visible profile
as to become Turk heads, that is the problem of…
I don't know…."
Marilyn Manson? "Exactly. He came to see us after a concert and
then he said that I had been to him ‘a strange
type ' [laughs]. I suppose that he is used to dealing with freaks
that try to overcome him in atrocities and it never
occurred to me. His thing is transparent: he sings, he gets dressed,
he makes things that are all calculated to
scandalize. The Americans, young and old, fall in their trap and
it should assume that his fame implies that they
accuse him of all the unpleasant things that pass in the world,
some years ago it was Ozzy Osbourne, that put
satanic messages in his albums. What they don't wonder is how those
boys could store so much hate… and an entire
arsenal."
Phillias and phobias of a normal guy
MUSIC AT HOME
“ I never hear The Cure neither anything resembling it at home.
I prefer to put ‘dance’ disks, especially of ‘ambient ', classical music
or more ethnic sounds. I take myself of this trip some flamenco cd’s. The
truth is that I prefer to listen to instrumental music or sung in a language
that I don't understand, the lyrics of the pop music are usually so bad
that they prevent me to enjoy the songs."
HERO
“Jimi Hendrix, above anyone. It impressed me that he invented
his life, he passed from being a mercenary guitarist in United States to
become a musical revolutionary in England; he made reality his dreams of
freedom. I went to the island of Wight festival when I was 10 years old…
but I didn't see Jimi, my brother left me locked in the tent while he left
to fuck or to get stoned. I have not forgiven him yet."
READING
"I have a problem; if I like something, I go to the bookstore and
I buy myself all that there is of the author and I read it. So I always
go late. A name? Iaian Banks. But I tend more to devour scientific books,
texts about genetics or astronomy."
CINEMA
“I am a fan of the Cohen Brothers and of Terry Gillian. But
I also adore Steven Spielberg's movies, I believe that
nobody receives so bad and so unjust criticisms. I don't consider
myself a mitómano (Somebody who lie to himself,
who invents lies): I know that Stanley Kubrick made as many bad
movies as good ones. Yes, it is fun to find
Hollywood productions where the main character is characterized
as Robert Smith… I won't say names! I would
prefer that they had called me to collaborate with me, I want to
compose for the cinema and I have many ideas to
film my own movie."
TRIBUTE ALBUMS
“I have participated in tributes making songs of the Doors, Depeche
Mode or David Bowie, but I am only really
proud of my version of ‘Foxy lady ', of Hendrix. Recently they called
me for an album of versions of Nick Drake,
whom I admire almost as much as Jimi, but I didn't like the other
artists that participated and I turned them down.
I would also like to make something with Thin Lizzy."
MUSIC VIDEOS
"I know that the videos of The Cure are very popular, but I never
enjoyed making them: I don't usually identify
myself with the character that I have to interpret, I am quite more
instinctive. In fact, those videos were recorded to
avoid us to act in television: a guy of the company assured us that
appearing just as we were, was counteractive,
that the sales of the albums that we promoted lowered instead of
ascending. But I maintain very good relationship
with our director, Tim Pope. By the way, lets finish the interview:
I have to call him, they have told me that he has
just been a father."
(Thanks to Gerardo for the translation)